for If We Fall Out With The USA5/2/2008 c1 
20Owl344
Err...I'm fairly sure that the Canadians would join the US. However, it's true, I can just picture the scene:
"Sir, the Canadian soldiers are approaching!"
"What, all three of them?"
20Owl344Err...I'm fairly sure that the Canadians would join the US. However, it's true, I can just picture the scene:
"Sir, the Canadian soldiers are approaching!"
"What, all three of them?"
11/20/2004 c1 4John Stein PhD
Personally I think the U.S. All it would take is a few pushes of the button.
4John Stein PhDPersonally I think the U.S. All it would take is a few pushes of the button.
10/11/2004 c1 1Shinigami287
I normaly try to stay out of commenting in the essay section, it only leads to trouble normaly. However, i felt this needed to be commented on. That and the fact the US owns the EU if it ever came down to it.
First off-in you "Millitary" section, you speak as if we would re-fight WWII with the EU, nope, we would send in aricraft carriers, wipe out the attempted naval resitance, gain air superiority (a Harrier has nothing on an F-18) and proceed to bomb the crap out of everything. the we send in ground troops to finish up. That and we have Marines, there is nothing on this Earth that wants to piss off a US Marine
Next-Economic/Industry-America's industrial capacity to wage war is far higher than all of the nations in the EU put together. We like building things that go boom, and we have become quite proficient at it.
-Socio-Political-I agree it is the decisive ability of the US high command, against the fighting the common enemy that the EU has. Personaly i think the US owns here too, simply because the faster our guys are in position, the more damage we could do before retalitory strikes commence
Finnaly-Allies-Personaly I would fear Israel, they are a freaking unstopable force when it comes to combat, but i seriously doubt that S. Korea would pose much of a threat. The same way a Canadian invasion doesnt exactly leave me quaking in fear.
All of the above is based on the assumption that it is a conventional war. If it isn't, well that opens the door to the "35 Minute War" Here is the break down for that
T+0min-War is declared
T+5min-all nuclear launch protocols are finished, nukes are launched at Europe
T+30min-Nukes hit, the EU dissapears in a nuclear firestorm.
Ouch, that would leave a mark.
All in all, an excellent essay, very well written, but i highly doubt any conflict would arise between the two respective powers.
Regards
-Shinigami
1Shinigami287I normaly try to stay out of commenting in the essay section, it only leads to trouble normaly. However, i felt this needed to be commented on. That and the fact the US owns the EU if it ever came down to it.
First off-in you "Millitary" section, you speak as if we would re-fight WWII with the EU, nope, we would send in aricraft carriers, wipe out the attempted naval resitance, gain air superiority (a Harrier has nothing on an F-18) and proceed to bomb the crap out of everything. the we send in ground troops to finish up. That and we have Marines, there is nothing on this Earth that wants to piss off a US Marine
Next-Economic/Industry-America's industrial capacity to wage war is far higher than all of the nations in the EU put together. We like building things that go boom, and we have become quite proficient at it.
-Socio-Political-I agree it is the decisive ability of the US high command, against the fighting the common enemy that the EU has. Personaly i think the US owns here too, simply because the faster our guys are in position, the more damage we could do before retalitory strikes commence
Finnaly-Allies-Personaly I would fear Israel, they are a freaking unstopable force when it comes to combat, but i seriously doubt that S. Korea would pose much of a threat. The same way a Canadian invasion doesnt exactly leave me quaking in fear.
All of the above is based on the assumption that it is a conventional war. If it isn't, well that opens the door to the "35 Minute War" Here is the break down for that
T+0min-War is declared
T+5min-all nuclear launch protocols are finished, nukes are launched at Europe
T+30min-Nukes hit, the EU dissapears in a nuclear firestorm.
Ouch, that would leave a mark.
All in all, an excellent essay, very well written, but i highly doubt any conflict would arise between the two respective powers.
Regards
-Shinigami
8/18/2004 c1 14biminator
"Even the much-vaunted CVBG (what is it with you Yanks and acronyms, anyway?) isn't going to fare very well against fifty kilotons of plutonium-plated kaboom."
fifty kilotons? If that's all europe's working with in their nukes, the U.S. would smoke them. we measure in megatons.
As many have said, Israel is nothing to be laughed at. sure, they're small, but so's switzerland, and they have one of the best defensive arrays in the world. size does not matter. the israelis have a technologically advanced military as well.
anyway, everything else have been debated already, so I'm done.
14biminator"Even the much-vaunted CVBG (what is it with you Yanks and acronyms, anyway?) isn't going to fare very well against fifty kilotons of plutonium-plated kaboom."
fifty kilotons? If that's all europe's working with in their nukes, the U.S. would smoke them. we measure in megatons.
As many have said, Israel is nothing to be laughed at. sure, they're small, but so's switzerland, and they have one of the best defensive arrays in the world. size does not matter. the israelis have a technologically advanced military as well.
anyway, everything else have been debated already, so I'm done.
7/29/2004 c1 7C Shot
Hmm, my bias self says America would win. Simply because we are better armed, a little richer and lets face it... we still have some unfinsiehd business in Europe.. EastGermany shouldve fell to the US, fuck that from within bullshit.
Realistically it'd probably end like the Korean War, that is never end. Just a grudging stalemate.
But to your reviewer...
Joe- America is hardly getting any oil from Iraq and realistically wont be for a while. We also make 40% of our own oil and I doubt any American would let any state fall. I'd die for Alaska.
Likewise, I wouldnt be affected by Canada blocking beer. I dont drink, which make sme invinscible.
AHAHAHA
-Curtis
7C ShotHmm, my bias self says America would win. Simply because we are better armed, a little richer and lets face it... we still have some unfinsiehd business in Europe.. EastGermany shouldve fell to the US, fuck that from within bullshit.
Realistically it'd probably end like the Korean War, that is never end. Just a grudging stalemate.
But to your reviewer...
Joe- America is hardly getting any oil from Iraq and realistically wont be for a while. We also make 40% of our own oil and I doubt any American would let any state fall. I'd die for Alaska.
Likewise, I wouldnt be affected by Canada blocking beer. I dont drink, which make sme invinscible.
AHAHAHA
-Curtis
6/30/2004 c1 7Joe the sorta Wise
One issue you forgot is the America dream: owning a gun. More of the population could be raised in a hurry to throw back a land invasion.
And as a Canadian, I object to claims that people do not fear irritating us. We could cut off beer exports!
They'd be on their knees in days.
But on a serious note, much of America's resources ARE imported. If the Europeans could gain naval superiority, they could cut off the flow of oil from Iraq.
Also, if they could get Canada on side and send some reinforcements, we could take probably isolate and take Alaska, plus put a serious dent in Yankee oil stocks since so much comes from Alberta.
7Joe the sorta WiseOne issue you forgot is the America dream: owning a gun. More of the population could be raised in a hurry to throw back a land invasion.
And as a Canadian, I object to claims that people do not fear irritating us. We could cut off beer exports!
They'd be on their knees in days.
But on a serious note, much of America's resources ARE imported. If the Europeans could gain naval superiority, they could cut off the flow of oil from Iraq.
Also, if they could get Canada on side and send some reinforcements, we could take probably isolate and take Alaska, plus put a serious dent in Yankee oil stocks since so much comes from Alberta.
6/30/2004 c1 2Captain Campion
This whole concept is ludicrous.
Without American markets to sell products to the European economy would fall flat in weeks. The American navy could isolate Europe from any oil importants via sea (as well as any other products).
Would the Italians give up their month-long vacatons each year to build Fiat tanks?
Meanwhile, continental America could supply itself with all the resources necessary for fighting a war (we have it all here-oil, food, etc.)
An outright war between Europe and the US? Which side is Britain on? Does the US start with bases in place on European soil? Is this strictly conventional?
A European attempt at occupying America would be much harder for the EU than than an American army trying to occupy European lands (something the U.S. has had to do a couple of times already).
Why would the EU have such a harder time? Forget geography alone. There are some 80 million gun owners in the United States. Not just hunting rifles, mind you. Most American neighborhoods outside of New York and California are better armed than Norway.
And how would Europe project power across the Atlantic? The Charles DeGaul (sp) is the continent's most modern air craft carry and it spends more time in port being repaired.
American forces spend more time training with better training equipment and in more diverse training areas than any European force.
But I can't believe I've even bothered touching on actual issues that such a conflict could raise. No two democracys have ever attacked one another.
The very fact that someone would write an essay on such a topic concerns me greatly. Concerns me about the real types of war possible here-trade wars, cultural wars, product boycotts, etc.
People seem to forget who their friends are.
2Captain CampionThis whole concept is ludicrous.
Without American markets to sell products to the European economy would fall flat in weeks. The American navy could isolate Europe from any oil importants via sea (as well as any other products).
Would the Italians give up their month-long vacatons each year to build Fiat tanks?
Meanwhile, continental America could supply itself with all the resources necessary for fighting a war (we have it all here-oil, food, etc.)
An outright war between Europe and the US? Which side is Britain on? Does the US start with bases in place on European soil? Is this strictly conventional?
A European attempt at occupying America would be much harder for the EU than than an American army trying to occupy European lands (something the U.S. has had to do a couple of times already).
Why would the EU have such a harder time? Forget geography alone. There are some 80 million gun owners in the United States. Not just hunting rifles, mind you. Most American neighborhoods outside of New York and California are better armed than Norway.
And how would Europe project power across the Atlantic? The Charles DeGaul (sp) is the continent's most modern air craft carry and it spends more time in port being repaired.
American forces spend more time training with better training equipment and in more diverse training areas than any European force.
But I can't believe I've even bothered touching on actual issues that such a conflict could raise. No two democracys have ever attacked one another.
The very fact that someone would write an essay on such a topic concerns me greatly. Concerns me about the real types of war possible here-trade wars, cultural wars, product boycotts, etc.
People seem to forget who their friends are.
6/30/2004 c1 Strawberri Shake
This is a very very interesting topic. I personally think that it would be a draw also. It would be a long, bloody war involving many deaths, much loss of land for whoever the defending country is, and many years. Let's hope it never happens.
On the Israel thing. Sunflower is right-the Israeli army is nothing to sneeze at. However LMAO-invading Canadians. I'm American and that's just the funniest thought ever. LOL.
Very well written and an interesting point.
~Strawberri Shake
This is a very very interesting topic. I personally think that it would be a draw also. It would be a long, bloody war involving many deaths, much loss of land for whoever the defending country is, and many years. Let's hope it never happens.
On the Israel thing. Sunflower is right-the Israeli army is nothing to sneeze at. However LMAO-invading Canadians. I'm American and that's just the funniest thought ever. LOL.
Very well written and an interesting point.
~Strawberri Shake
6/11/2004 c1 vanburen
a great, well-thought out essay, but my question is this: who does australia side with?
a great, well-thought out essay, but my question is this: who does australia side with?
5/13/2004 c1 8Rosa Vernal
Beautiful. Just beautiful.
James Jago for U.S. president in 2004! (despite the fact you're ineligible and not running)
8Rosa VernalBeautiful. Just beautiful.
James Jago for U.S. president in 2004! (despite the fact you're ineligible and not running)
5/11/2004 c1 6Sarasvati48
Hm...well, if such a war was ever to occur, I would definetly consider moving to Canada. And there I could then proceed to enact my plan of conquering Ottawa and installing myself as a fascist dictator. Then of course I would pass economic sanctions on both the U.S. AND Europe...because we all know the devastating effects that the loss of Canadian alcoholic beverages would have on the civilian populations.
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But I digress. This was an interesting piece, and well-written too. I'd warn you not to underestimate the Israeli army, however; after centuries of oppression and prosecution, the Jews finally got pissed off and created one of the best militaries in the world. Anyway, great work. : )
6Sarasvati48Hm...well, if such a war was ever to occur, I would definetly consider moving to Canada. And there I could then proceed to enact my plan of conquering Ottawa and installing myself as a fascist dictator. Then of course I would pass economic sanctions on both the U.S. AND Europe...because we all know the devastating effects that the loss of Canadian alcoholic beverages would have on the civilian populations.
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But I digress. This was an interesting piece, and well-written too. I'd warn you not to underestimate the Israeli army, however; after centuries of oppression and prosecution, the Jews finally got pissed off and created one of the best militaries in the world. Anyway, great work. : )
5/8/2004 c1 4napthia9
Hmm... As much as I love the idea of US(a very eurocentric country in terms of its early beginings- heck, even our World History classes focus on European civilization) vs Europe, I must agree that it isn't plausible. But if Canada and Mexico allowed European troops to be ferried up to the US border, maybe then Europe would have a shot. Actually, if a trans-Atlantic US vs Europe brawl ever did take place, it would drag on for so long, China might slowly amass enough weapons to conquer both Europe and the US! Muwahahahahahahaha!
Also: I'm an American. If that somehow reveals any partisan leanings in my review, so be it. And, as an added plus, I'm a mindless high schooler who hasn't taken World Economics, OR 20th century wars yet. But I wasn't kidding about the World History class. They really do only teach European history. And Grecio-Roman history of course. It was very dull.
4napthia9Hmm... As much as I love the idea of US(a very eurocentric country in terms of its early beginings- heck, even our World History classes focus on European civilization) vs Europe, I must agree that it isn't plausible. But if Canada and Mexico allowed European troops to be ferried up to the US border, maybe then Europe would have a shot. Actually, if a trans-Atlantic US vs Europe brawl ever did take place, it would drag on for so long, China might slowly amass enough weapons to conquer both Europe and the US! Muwahahahahahahaha!
Also: I'm an American. If that somehow reveals any partisan leanings in my review, so be it. And, as an added plus, I'm a mindless high schooler who hasn't taken World Economics, OR 20th century wars yet. But I wasn't kidding about the World History class. They really do only teach European history. And Grecio-Roman history of course. It was very dull.
5/8/2004 c1 Steven Lawrence
I LOVE IT! Not only is this pointless, again, but Sunflower Philosophy totally slam dunked Jago with his bullshit Israel comment. Sunflower, sweetie, he doesnt like Israel or the US-we "hurt" people-Arabs can do it, but Jews and Americans cant. You'll learn it after awhile if you talk to James
I LOVE IT! Not only is this pointless, again, but Sunflower Philosophy totally slam dunked Jago with his bullshit Israel comment. Sunflower, sweetie, he doesnt like Israel or the US-we "hurt" people-Arabs can do it, but Jews and Americans cant. You'll learn it after awhile if you talk to James
5/8/2004 c1 37Sunflower Philosophy
An interesting thought here, though I thought I might point out that the Israeli army is nothing to sneeze at. If you've ever heard of the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War, you'll know what I mean- that army is among the best and most advanced in the world. You wouldn't believe the things they've accomplished and developed. I think just the name of the Six Day War can give you an idea of what happened when the three enormous Arab countries surrounding them- Egypt, Jordan and Syria- tried to remove them from the map.
Still, it can't help being tiny. Paired with the US, though, I think the EU would have quite a lot to worry about, technologically and tactically.
My point: Don't judge an army by the size of the country it's protecting.
I very much doubt the US and the EU would ever have a full-out war or anything close to it. I also doubt that in such a situation, the EU will be united enough in its opinions to get itself together for a war.
Many interesting points here, and definitely an interesting thought (I have to stop saying interesting.)
m~* Sunflower, anyone?
37Sunflower PhilosophyAn interesting thought here, though I thought I might point out that the Israeli army is nothing to sneeze at. If you've ever heard of the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War, you'll know what I mean- that army is among the best and most advanced in the world. You wouldn't believe the things they've accomplished and developed. I think just the name of the Six Day War can give you an idea of what happened when the three enormous Arab countries surrounding them- Egypt, Jordan and Syria- tried to remove them from the map.
Still, it can't help being tiny. Paired with the US, though, I think the EU would have quite a lot to worry about, technologically and tactically.
My point: Don't judge an army by the size of the country it's protecting.
I very much doubt the US and the EU would ever have a full-out war or anything close to it. I also doubt that in such a situation, the EU will be united enough in its opinions to get itself together for a war.
Many interesting points here, and definitely an interesting thought (I have to stop saying interesting.)
m~* Sunflower, anyone?
5/8/2004 c1 9Admiral Rupert
This is a good piece; I like speculation, and speculating about my country duking it out with Europe is a fun thought. But since we live on different sides, and I like you, I'll have to hope it never happens.
"We might think our elected leaders are arseholes, but they're OUR arseholes and if anybody's going to get rid of them it'll be us, thanks." -Very good line.
Good job. I've seen your stuff before (don't remember whether I've reviewed you or not), so I don't really feel the need to mention that your grammar and spelling are about perfect, since they always are.
9Admiral RupertThis is a good piece; I like speculation, and speculating about my country duking it out with Europe is a fun thought. But since we live on different sides, and I like you, I'll have to hope it never happens.
"We might think our elected leaders are arseholes, but they're OUR arseholes and if anybody's going to get rid of them it'll be us, thanks." -Very good line.
Good job. I've seen your stuff before (don't remember whether I've reviewed you or not), so I don't really feel the need to mention that your grammar and spelling are about perfect, since they always are.